Tuesday, 4 February 2014

Racial Religion for White People, A Conversation


A most interesting and entertaining (if surreal) back and forth I had on Facebook with a certain fellow from London, who believes he is on the brink of founding a new racial religion that will lead the White Race to victory. He is critical of CREATIVITY because we Creators don’t aspire to colonise the universe in the foreseeable future. My text is highlighted in red, the other fellow’s in black. Here we go:

JS
Evening Jimmy. I was just curious, what do you do to advance the cause of Creativity?

James Mac
I make my audios - the audio book of Nature’s Eternal Religion is almost complete. I always proselytise. And I always post pro-Creativity stuff online, comments, blogs, etc., always with a CREATIVITY conclusion (‘CREATIVITY is the answer.’). I could always do more, obviously, and I intend to do so. How about yourself? 
See my comment here, posted recently on Facebook: 
‘Why do people keep ‘bigging up’ Vladimir Putin, as though he is ‘secretly’ a pro-White hero, just playing his cards close to his chest. Do yourselves a favour, people, stop deluding yourselves. He’s a stooge of the ‘chosen,’ just like the rest of them. Seriously, what undercover pro-White man would happily marry off his precious White daughter to a Korean, of all things? Not going to happen, people. Not going to happen. As for Putin’s remarks on ‘Euro-Atlantic countries’ turning away from ‘their roots’ (let’s get this straight - our roots are most certainly *not* in Christianity), turning away from the alien and suicidal values of christ-insanity isn’t really a bad thing you know. As a pro-White individual, what key advice did this precious mythical Jesus character ever give to us White people that, if followed, we would guarantee the survival of our most precious asset, Nature’s Finest, the unique White Race? Could it be ‘turn the other cheek’? ‘Love your enemies?’ ‘Pluck out thine eye’? ‘Lay not up treasures’? ‘Sell all thou hast and give it to the scum’? Come on Christians, give me *one* example of your ‘wonderful’ Jesus speaking up for the White Race. I have yet to find a single quote, a single piece of sound advice that is conducive to the betterment of the White Race and the White Race exclusively. (No Christian Identity lunatics need reply. We are *not* the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel, and no sane White person would ever believe that we are. If these sweaty lot ever did get lost, all I can say to that is good riddance.) However, there happens to be one religious creed that does offer sound and practical advice for the survival and advancement of the White Race. A religious text with page after page after page filled with sage advice, pearls of wisdom and common sense that, if adopted and adhered to by the best of the White people in any serious numbers, would lead to the redemption of our people. That religion is CREATIVITY, as set forth in Nature’s Eternal Religion by Ben Klassen. :) ’
Actually, that wasn’t meant to be such a full on promotion of Creativity, but as you asked me what I do, I thought I would make that my example. 

JS
Yes, that is an awesome reply. But I would extend your answer to mean internet activism? What about in the material world? Oh, and I had no idea Putin married off one of his daughters to a Korean. Though do we know what say he had in the matter? She might have been a rogue, maybe the marriage is for image sake for political ends, we don't know.

James Mac
Mostly Internet, yes, though I do have a habit of lecturing people on the need for a White Racial Religion to counter the Jews and Islam. So yeah, all my family members and more are familiar with Creativity. :) I am fully aware that the promotion of Creativity, or a racial religion, has to go beyond the Internet, though the Internet is an excellent tool for disseminating our ideas. However, if it doesn’t go beyond that, there is the danger that our creed ends up being our ‘dirty little secret’ that we never share with others. That’s a terrible problem with pro-White  (or so-called pro-White) people in general. They agree enthusiastically with what we say online, etc., but wouldn’t dream of trying to convert even their own family members. It’s as though they put our racial values in the same category as Internet porn, satanism or something. :-/ lol
As for Putin’s daughter, apparently he is notoriously secretive about his family and private life in general. Most Russians haven’t even seen his daughters (apparently). In fact, the entire ‘Putin’s daughter marries Korean’ story could be a hoax for all we know. :)

JS
Yeah. If everyone was as passionate as ourselves then it set alight a chain reaction of conversions!
RE Putin, Well, then we can't even use it in evidence if we don't know it to be fact.
Jimmy, lets say Creativity wins the fight, the racial cause is won, there is a global White imperium and the imperial religion is Creativity. Where does it take us from there?

James Mac
Well, I am inclined to say that, once we have regained control of our own destiny and have a well established eugenics program, this is one for our superior racially conscious progeny to decide. But we would always be seeking to advance our gene pool, civilisation and culture to ever greater and nobler heights. Just imagine a world populated by beautiful geniuses (with an average IQ of around 140, 150) and super-geniuses with 200 to 250 IQ’s. I’m pretty sure they could look after themselves. 

JS
Like I thought, there is no higher direction in Creativity. It just says the White race is the most precious and must preserve itself. That is it.

James Mac
Not quite. Preserve and advance. And advance and advance. What more can one ask for?

JS
One would argue that advancement is requisite to preservation. But advance unto what? There is a key element which Creativity misses. And that is that mankind must not just advance leisurely, but furiously, militantly. That is to give us the best shot at survival in the chaos wherein we are blind to our fate and to what lies beyond at each stage. Throughout the entire universe, involving all things, living and non, conscious and non, there is a race toward Godhood.

James Mac
Like you said to me in your recent Facebook post (actually lecturing me on what I had previously stressed to you), there are more immediate and pressing issues than finding out what is going on outside of the universe, or any other mental flight into orbit. Similarly, we White people have to survive and take control of our destiny before we start thinking about intergalactic travel, colonisation of the universe, the multiverse, or whatever it is you have in mind.

JS
No, Jimmy, this is entirely relevant. Our next steps after resolving our Earthly problems follow immediately. They ought to be considered now. Not to mention, this future consciousness which you call unimportant at present, is an inspiring image of the coming ages of man. It carries the effect of being appealing to people even outside of racial interest.

James Mac
We Creators regard this planet Earth as our one and only home, for the next few billion years, if we survive that long, and after that (once the sun has turned into an ice-ball), who knows. In the meantime, we must get to work and ensure the survival of our species, otherwise all of these great theoretical plans for the future are no more than mental masturbation, fantasy land talk - a complete waste of time.

JS
One and only home for the next few billion years?!! Count me out. I would see man spread throughout the cosmos in the next 1,000. Man would have inhabited planets a hundred times greater than all the Earth's splendour combined.

James Mac
Are you still in favour of a planet Earth populated by tens of billions of White people? Is this what you are getting at? You want to travel the galaxy (and beyond that, the universe, and maybe the multiverse and beyond!) and seed various habitable planets with trillions of superior White specimens?

JS
Tens of billions if we have the technological model to support it without eating the planet like a plague of locust.

James Mac
Well, I am not going to say that White people colonising other worlds will never happen (we can never say never), but at the present moment I really don’t see any point in getting worked up about it. We need to keep our feet on the ground, ensure our survival and take back our governments into our own capable, Racially Loyal hands before we go making such dreamy and far-fetched plans for an uncertain future. I admire your passion for the White Race though. ‘Universal omnipotence’ is your vision, I am familiar with that (quite literally the *entire universe!*). What happens when we have populated the universe? Populate another universe, or whatever is beyond that? Why would anyone lie awake at night worrying about such things?

JS
Because, pertaining to the race to God, issues that arise at present require true consciousness. Such as genetic engineering, transhumanism etc. Our consciousness defines our entire behaviour, what we prioritise and ultimately how far we progress in a given time. You cannot argue the time for a religion that illuminates of our eternal direction and cause in the cosmos has not come, just because we are inundated with a racial battle here on Earth. A direction, that is, that is more than just preservation. The eternal mission is survival, Jimmy. In order to survive we must eternally populate higher dimensions, for each dimension has a lifespan, and any that have not transcended it by the time of its death will perish along with it.

James Mac 
Like I said, Creativity is about much more than just preservation, though from an evolutionary point of view this would be perfectly acceptable. Even if we sought to populate the world with nothing but white chavs, there is nothing wrong with this from the point of view of survival of the species. However, we CREATORS have lofty ideals, and are indeed determined to advance the White Race to the glorious heights of the Superman and beyond. One of our many slogans is SURVIVAL, EXPANSION and ADVANCEMENT of the White Race and the White Race exclusively. How can any rational thinking White Racial Loyalist conclude that CREATIVITY and CREATORS have no positive vision for the future? Pure silliness. 

JS
OK, ok. God sake!... There is a void but I can't for the minute describe it any better than I have already. I'll come back with a more clear way of putting it, seeing as I'm obviously not getting across.

James Mac
With all due respect, how many people are going to buy into this idea of universal expansion (that is, quite literally populating the entire cosmos with hundreds of trillions of people), racing to godhood (whatever that means), or whatever? This all does sound a little ‘far-out’ as Americans would say, to put it mildly. 

JS
It's not that it's concerned only with 'the beyond'. The religion relates to every aspect of life, past, present and future. Man ought now to be excited about and focused on space anyway. It is the next step on his path.

James Mac
As I said near the beginning of our conversation, and as I will keep emphasising, first we must regain control of our own destiny. This cannot be reiterated enough. If after a billion years (if our kind are still around at that time) our superior White progeny feel that certain steps must be taken in order to ensure their survival, for the reasons given that appear to so trouble you, I am pretty sure they will be more than well-equipped with the mental faculties and advanced technology to do so.

JS
Ha

James Mac
Am I not talking sense? Some have critiqued me that I am ‘too grounded’ for my own good. Is it your view that I need to learn to ‘dream a little’? I am capable of thinking out the box, and I often do. But you know, it’s always good to keep your feet on the ground. (Or at least not go completely round the bend.)
Out of curiosity, what does your good friend Matt make of this problem that so troubles you?

JS
He is fervently on-side. It is a religion that several of us are purveying. Myself, Matt and some others. The best way to describe it, in a nutshell, is revised Cosmotheism. If you call that too dreamy and futuristic beyond call then that is where our similarities end. This is high time for a consciousness that explains everything, from the root of our existence to the farthest reaches of our destiny. Christianity is dying. New  age religions centred on observable scientific truths are rising. What competition do we offer with a religion that is grounded in static preservation? There is little excitement in that and that is one of the problems with the nationalist image; it is archaic and museological. It wants to keep the world how it was 200 years ago. Archeofuturism is a good rival to this. Creativity is not archeofuturistic. Not to mention, our dreams of a better future, not just one that is reversed to a state of racial homogeneity, but one that surpasses all recognition of the present day, inspires and connects with all people, lefties the lot. It is a common ground that if occupied can be used to draw water to our wells. Are you yourself not at all interested in where we will go tomorrow, after this dilemma is over?

James Mac
See, we Creators believe that we would be astounded by the progress of a White Race that has taken control of its own destiny, having implemented and practiced eugenics for many generations. We believe that we will ‘advance forward to new heights never before dreamed of.’ ‘We are interested purely and simply in a religion for the survival of the White Race and the White Race alone, and helping that race advance to heights greater than have ever been dreamed of before.’ I would urge you to read the chapter ‘Our Brilliant Future,’ the final chapter of our Holy Text, Nature’s Eternal Religion (yes, quickly do it now, it’s only a short chapter). I would cut and paste some of the more inspiring excerpts from the chapter and send it in this message, but the message would be too long. I would urge you to just read the chapter in its entirety, for the intellectual value if nothing else. I honestly struggle to understand why an intelligent, academically minded individual such as yourself can’t get excited and inspired by this wonderful idea, why you would blandly dismiss CREATIVITY as ‘preservationist’ and nothing more. Clearly - *CLEARLY* - CREATIVITY is not *just* about preservation of the White Race. Remember: SURVIVAL, EXPANSION and ADVANCEMENT. It seems to me that you are creating unnecessary problems, all of which are in your mind. That is just my opinion.

JS
I have not read beyond chapter 5 of creationism, so I am only going by an evolved understanding of the doctrine that has come from various sources. But talking with you affirms it...

James Mac
Stop typing, you’re supposed to be reading the chapter I recommended! ‘Our Brilliant Future.’
http://creativityalliance.com/eBook-BenKlassen-Nature'sEternalReligion.pdf

JS
I'll read in a bit... Just ate. Ok, this is short, I will definitely read it all tonight.

James Mac
Yes, around 8 pages. I should be making an audio of that chapter in the coming days. The aim is to have it completed by Ben Klassen’s Birthday.

JS
Although I am not at present succeeding in making you see the difference between our two religions, I know there is a vacuum in creativity which is quite best not ignored. On another note, have you come across the fantasy world of Warhammer 40k before?

James Mac
I’m not massively into computer games. I stopped playing them back in the mid to late 90’s because I was unhappy with how addictive they can be. Maybe that’s why I have an aversion to fantasy, as I can sense it’s addictiveness that causes otherwise intelligent minds to spiral off into orbit.

JS
Not the games, just the fantasy world...

James Mac
No, I think my ignorant answer tells you all you need to know - I am not familiar with this ‘world.’

JS
The 'Space Marines' have a brilliant culture. Warrior monks. They're a militant religious sect set in the future. Heavily entrenched in their faith. The gothic church culture is kept alive alongside all the modern technological advances. Exactly how I imagine it will, and should, play out.

James Mac
Wow. That all looks a bit wild. Dystopian even.

JS
Perhaps you should stop fearing addiction to fantasy and immerse yourself in it. Breathe life into your imagination and lust for the future. It'll do you good I'm sure. Well being a game it can be a bit OTT. But there is a very real element in it. Oh, I forgot to mention. They are a race of genetically engineered superhumans! The whole fantasy is a nationalists wet dream. Well, a nationalist like me that is.

James Mac
Okay, so to summarise. You don’t actually have any (many?) issues with the part of CREATIVITY that seeks to regain control of the White Man’s destiny, but only what will come a million years after we have prevailed over our Jewish overlords? In my mind, that means we don’t really disagree at all. You are simply creating problems - all of which are in your mind. May I just remind you also that we Creators are *not* nationalists. We are Racial Socialists, Racial Loyalists, encompassing and embracing all the good White peoples of the world. Don’t tell me this is another ‘biggie’ you take issue with? 

JS
No issue. Why would there be. Here is a one of the better videos built around the Space Marine ethos. This is the last I'll mention of it, just tell me it doesn't tingle your innards!
"They Are My Space Marines"

James Mac
*checking your video link… see, I check your links, you don’t read my suggestions… :-/*

JS
I promise to get round to it. I just stuffed myself with Bolognese. My capacity for discerning religious doctrine is somewhat incapacitated for an hour or so.

James Mac
I see the weapons of these soldiers have (what appear to be) Latin inscriptions on them. Kind of fits in with Creativity, which promotes Latin as a unifying language for the Whites peoples of the world. The music is very grandiose, and in my view the best part of the video. However, the world in which these people live is a bit of a nightmare, don’t you think? You don’t seem to me to be the type of person who wants to jump inside a huge armoured suit and go out brandishing a huge weapon that could blow up buildings. I could be wrong about this. Am I? Anyway, this fantasy world is set in 40 thousand AD, which isn’t even scratching the surface of what you’re fretting about, which is billions of years down the line. What do you imagine the world, or galaxy rather, to look like at that point?

JS
This particular sci-fi is set in 40kAD, yes, but just because I draw parallels between it and my vision of a future religiously devote warrior humanity doesn't mean I'm thinking 40 thousand years ahead. This 'mode' if you will could (and should) be realised now. As per my vision of the future. Life is eternal struggle. That is my vision. An endless fight against the forces of the cosmos and the life within in and beyond that. But mankind will be born again. He will learn contempt with this struggle, and he will grow to love war as much as he loves peace. It's just life. It wasn't his making, but he sure is subject to it. This is another reason I love the 40k fantasy so much. Therein war and suffering is a natural part of life. Of course there is music and art and all the niceties also, but battle is also an art, and it is nothing to feel grieved about. It is an art that future generations will learn to perfect, and get great enjoyment from. Their entire lives will be devoted to it - that is not war exclusively but the racial ascent in science and technology and exploration etc. You recognise I'm talking about another peoples at the same time, though minus the science part (they were from the old world)... the Spartans. Here is another people whose lives revolved around war. Would you say their civilisation was a 'nightmare'?

James Mac
CREATIVITY is a racial religion that is in harmony with the Laws of Nature, as it must be if we are to ‘promote, propagate, expand and advance the White Race in all perpetuity.’ You will have to excuse me, I’m getting a little tired now. I went out to work today (yes, working on a Sunday), but didn’t sleep very well last night. No, I don’t believe Spartan society is what we ought to aspire to, especially if it means having a mass of Helot slaves that we annually cull in order to keep the quality of their stock down. Perhaps we can resume this conversation another time, and maybe in a Skype call (though I know you are not enthused by the prospect of utilising this wonderful technology). Until another day, be well, and Delenda est Judaica. Möge die helle Flamme unserer Begeisterung niemals zum Erlöschen kommen. :)

JS
Later, Jimmy. I'm sure we can Skype, I'd just rather you came to London and we spoke over tea. RE Spartan society. That is a very dirty thing you did there. I was speaking about an element of Spartan society, which is their devotion to fighting. You can't dispel this element by judging other elements, such as their reliance on and treatment of slaves, which I agree is ridiculous. But I was merely using them as an example of a fighting peoples, like Warhammer's 'Space Marines', that also had a brilliant society. In Sparta women had most rights than anywhere else in the world at the time. There was no capitalism, no wealth and no greed (gold was forbidden and Spartans traded with iron bars). Although little archaeological findings exist they had statues and art the same as any place. And their devotion to fighting bought them survival and prosperity for as long as their system lived. Not quite the 'nightmare' you envisioned.